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I found out that a 2003 Florida appeals court case decided that Fox News has a First Amendment right to lie:

A Florida Appeals court ruled there is absolutely nothing illegal about lying, concealing or distorting information by a major press organization. The court reversed the $425,000 jury verdict in favor of journalist Jane Akre who charged she was pressured by Fox Television management and lawyers to air what she knew and documented to be false information. The ruling basically declares it is technically not against any law, rule, or regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news on a television broadcast.

It’s not like i disagree with the fundamental premise involved here. Fox Noise probably does have a First Amendment right to lie to its viewers. As a lawyer, it’s just interesting to imagine the oral arguments in the case. Here’s how my imagination frames it:

Judge: So, does Fox News lie in its coverage of the news?

Fox News Lawyer: Well, of course, your honor, have you watched our network!? But seriously, it’s not as if there’s anything legally wrong with that!

Man Droppings has some good thoughts on this:

[T]his cuts to the chase on the old, tired argument I get when I try to trash Faux News to true believers: ‘Oh, but all the news lies, it’s just a matter of their view.’

Yes, it is true, in the simplest sense of true, that all news is by definition biased. There can be no truly objective news, because it is presented by humans, who have biases. However, this court ruling shows that Fox News, and Fox News alone, as far as I know, deliberately sets out to distort the truth as a matter of course.

And the fact that so many people not only buy into these lies, but actually seek out these lies because they are simple, and straightforward, and don’t challenge the consumer to think for himself–this is what spells our doom as a species. We prefer comfort, we prefer simplicity, and we shy away from challenges. We are soft, in body and in mind, and in my more pessimistic moods, I see Fox News as a stalking horse for a future in which we are ever dumber, and ever more controlled.

That may sound a bit apocalyptic, but you have to admit, we are getting dumber. And it is also demonstrable that dumb people are easier to control than smart people, those who ask questions. So does it make sense, therefore, that those who seek to control might wish to deliberately seek out ways to make and keep people dumber?

Or maybe that’s just dumb…

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  1. Terry Grinnalds says:

    This is so basic, it is hard to comment. The story basically says it all. Still, isn't it is a shame that this was not heard by the Federal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. (Saying which, let's stop a moment and consider how bad the evidence must have been against Fox News for a Florida court, of all courts, to have entered a judgment against them.) Can we at least imagine a 9th Circuit mandate to Fox to change its motto from "Fair and Balanced" to "Telling You What You Want To Hear?" Fox News followers excuse the network by saying the other "liberal" networks are just the same -- except they are not. Already Liberal commentators, Bill Mahr and Jon Stewart among them, have been critical of President Obama for failing to live up to their ideals and his promises on certain issues. And I, as a liberal, am not even surprised at that, whereas everyone -- liberals and conservatives alike -- are shocked to the core when anyone at Fox walks even a step off the party line. Liberals, unlike Conservatives, don't believe our opinions are dictated by God, and therefore we are actually open to considering we might not always be right.

    • Larry says:

      What is so different about this case… Nearly all of the Media have been fabricating news for a hundred years. The New York Times is an obvious example. Which probably explains why most of my college professors warned us to never belive anything we read… until we could first hand verify it our selves… and then to be sure we checked our own biases.


      • PlacidAir says:

        And how, pray tell is “The New York Times […] an obvious example”?

      • Carl says:

        The above story never ever happened the way it did. the only lie on this page is everything about this story. They never won $425,000 never was a verdict to reverse their is no proof that the Fox news attorney said this to judge.

        Pure fantasy

        • DrMeatwadPhD says:

          Carl can’t read or is using the Evellynn Woods method of reading. I’ll quote the guy.

          “Here’s how my imagination frames it:
          Judge: So, does Fox News lie in its coverage of the news?
          Fox News Lawyer: Well, of course, your honor, have you watched our network!? But seriously, it’s not as if there’s anything legally wrong with that!”

          • Carl says:

            Lol I read once that Abraham Lincoln said don’t believe everything you read on the Internet. It was in quotes no less it must be true huh?

            Unless you have a link to court documents or transcripts that state that a conversation like that took place I call major BS.

            But I must say your pretty gullible for a PhD?

            Did you write your thesis using the same kind of evidence that you believe here?

            • Misty says:

              “Here’s how my imagination frames it:”
              Means its a pretend conversation……idiot. That is why the commenter said, you can’t read. A 6 year old watching channel 12 can tell you what an “imagination” is.

              • DrMeatwadPhD says:

                Thank you Misty. I very much doubt that Carl gets it yet. They are like that. Once they get stuck in stupid, it will take an army of elephants to sway them off of that fox liars road of confused people.

                they think Frank Burns is a role model for cryin put loud.

            • John says:

              PhD my arse lol!

  2. liberal says:

    Gee and it's the "Fox News Republican Network" maybe Ann Coulter can be a news caster and lie about the moral right; or maybe it's the "republican rite to lie.

    • DrMeatwadPhd says:

      You have that correct, it is their “rite to lie”. Faux Gnooze is after all just following in the Bush Admins foot steps with the lies. Does anyone recall the search for WMD in the oval office,,, oh that was just so hilarious of that scumbag Bush to do while he ordered men and women into their liars wars to kill or be killed.

  3. Ed Medeiros says:

    This is another good reason for us to check multiple news sources for news and information. It is important to recognize that, as the previous writer stated, that there is bias in the reports we hear. By checking a few other sites we are able to sift the truth from the bias.

    • Larry says:

      checking multiple sources is useless when they all lie

      • Liam Kelly says:

        That is only if they are all in collusion. If everyone lies for their own benefit then the truth is easy to decipher. Because everyone’s lies are different just find the consistencies. Then use that as the base of your research, voila a reasonable facsimile of the truth.

        • DrMeatwadPhD says:

          Most will pick up the story from one of a few sources like Rooters, AP, upi,,, then repeat it with their own added by-line and local writers name attached to it. Then you have the editors that are the ones doing the masters bidding, will not allow a truth to sneak by them.

  4. Damajah says:

    I told you so…but then if you're just waking up to this, you're the last to know.

  5. Conservative says:

    Yes, Bill Maher and Jon Stewart (apparently liberals either don't know how to spell or deliberately misspell the names of those who question The Chosen One) have taken President Obama to task, but you have conveniently left out Chris "My Leg Is Tingling" Matthews, Charlie "Can I Have Free Healthcare Too?" Gibson, Keith "Dick Cheney Is My Daddy" Olbermann, and Brian "Do You Mind If I Bow To You" Williams as examples of news commentators who are "in the bag" for the current administration. You may hate Fox News but without them, there would be virtually no major television outlet that would stop to question what is going on or present an alternative viewpoint. The tables have completely turned from when the Bush Administration was in power when every network BUT Fox was presenting an alternative viewpoint and bashing every move they made. None of you liberals cared whether anything that was being said was truthful or not — you just hated everything they were about and wanted them out. Please do not be a hypocrite and take Fox News to task when you have multiple networks all willing to do whatever it takes to get an agenda pushed through.

    And one last thing…leave God out of this. The truth is the truth, whether you believe in a higher power or not.

    • Robert says:

      you sir or madam apparantly didnt read the article. fox news was found to be lieing and twisting the truth.
      this has nothing to do with with being conservative or liberal.
      i personally want to hear news truthfully regardless of party affiliation.
      i think a lot of people are losing their minds since Obama became president. God give us a brain we need to start using them. and quit being led by phony news.

    • Metavirus says:

      so if i read you correctly, you thought it was shameful for fox news to be fact-free and insanely biased when they were pushing the Bush administration's agenda but now that they're staunchly opposed to the current administration, it's okay because they're at least questioning the administration? if i've ever seen a clearer case of the ends justifying the means, i can't remember it. oh wait, torture. but besides that…

    • Gherald says:

      As someone who would like to see an intelligent, saner, and resurgent conservatism in the U.S., let me just say: your left vs. right prism isn't helping, and Fox News isn't helping.

      Robert hit the nail on the head. Start using your brain, and quit being misled by phony news--whether it happens to be a Fox or MSNBC.

      Sure, Keith Olbermann is a Bill O'Reilly-esque partisan gasbag who only occasionally stumbles onto something worthy, but to its credit MSNBC has some intelligent commentators like Rachel Maddow. Matthews can also be interesting, he just gets too excited sometimes.

      Fox News has…Shepard Smith? Andrew Napolitano? Not much to go on.

      But I don't own a television, so take this with some salt. The web is more interesting.

      • Mark says:

        “Conservative” uses the same worn-out arguments peppered with the occasional “you liberal” accusation. Nothing to worry about; the modus operandi for some on the right wing nowadays: Respond to anything even minutely critical of a right wing organization like Fox News with projection, saying “well, your side does it too,” and when all else fails, resort to ad-hominem attacks on any or all personalities (Chris “my leg is tingling” Matthews, etc.) and the entire left wing in general.

        The type of conservative that needs to follow the dinosaurs to extinction. As was said on this comment section, saner members of the conservative movement need to reclaim the mantle of the movement away from the lunatic fringe.

    • Diana says:

      Nice reply!

    • Terry Grinnalds says:

      I would be glad to leave God out of it. In fact, I do, being a non-believer. Unfortunately, your side of the political spectrum is chock full of people who feel that if they decide they hate Gays, Blacks, (choose your group with a different lifestyle here), God literally has spoken to them about it. People who think they are divinely inspired in their opinions are, not surprisingly, unwilling to compromise, and compromise is the basis for the "polite" in politics.

      • Raul says:

        I would be glad to leave God out of it. In fact, I do, being a non-believer. Unfortunately, your side of the political spectrum is chock full of people who feel that if they decide they hate Gays, Blacks, (choose your group with a different lifestyle here), God literally has spoken to them about it. People who think they are divinely inspired in their opinions are, not surprisingly, unwilling to compromise, and compromise is the basis for the “polite” in politics.

        That’s strange, because the “non-believers,” as you refer to yourself, are chock full of people who feel that if they go on mass murder sprees, they are “liberating” a mindset. They are also full of rapists too I might add… What color is your hair? Because I think a there are a lot of killers and rapists with your color hair as well…it must be about the hair color…

        My point is, to generalize a group of people to generalize groups of people is to do the very thing you are judging a generalized group of people of doing. How a person acts and what they do is how that person acts and does as a person. You might as well say “All blacks hate all whites which is why I hate all blacks!” Or, “I hate you because you hate!”

        Also, to judge someone for judging…again, hypocritical.

        This type of rhetoric proves my point EVERY time…

        • barry says:

          So you are a believer ? I suggest you google this -- are religious people stupid ? It is a fact that most not all but most are really gulable and ignorant people. I mean really Noahs ark? adam and eve ? and the endless amout of hogwash and superstitions your bible says is truth. Also google this -- how many christian denominations are there ? You will be amazed !

          Your god is supposed to be perfect and so makes no mistakes, yet we see children born with cancer and the endless amount of illnesses and suffering in our world. Millions of jews in death camps prayed for their lives, did their god hear them? Hell no he she it did not for they were praying to a non-existent being.

          Religious people are a different breed, they believe all of us who call their nonsense out are just going to hell. Oh and their excuse for gods many mistakes is always ( god works in mysterious ) what a crock of crap.

        • barry says:

          I was watching the news (not fox) and I saw some people being interviewed after a hurricane had destroyed their home and most of the city. They were saying oh we just prayed to god and thats why we stayed alive.

          I just about laughed, why? because your so called god made the hurricane, he was trying to kill you with it ! and he failed at that !

          It is really amazing how anyone could sit through an hour of fox news and listen to the ignorant spew of BS, the right praises reagan but they dont tell you he raised taxed many times. the taxes on the rich are the lowest ever, where are these so called job creators? Oh the ignorance makes me ill I have little hope our country. huntsman was the smartest one and thats why he failed, republicans shun intelligence because they are jealous.

    • DrMeatwadPhd says:

      Both sides of the political media spectrum have been in some serious liar mode, oh since they claimed 19 Arabs flew four planes,,, and not one of them questioned the zion masters false flag bombings. You both are sick.

  6. Caterina Pryde says:

    I don't understand how the court can rule that way. Libel and slander are still illegal, if fox is deliberately reporting false information about a person or organization on the news program, it's slander, on their website, it's libel. And defamation of character covers both. What could they be lying about that isn't covered by one of those? Last year's natural disaster didn't happen??
    Fox is focused on slamming people, mostly moderates and liberals. All those lies are illegal. Could the court have said that pushing Akre wasn't illegal, and the ruling doesn't actually touch the veracity of the content??

  7. T.A.Davis says:

    Fox News and the Republicans do not have the right to lie. Ony the Democrares and the liberial media has that right. so there, eat it.

    • schu says:

      T.A. Davis, they all lie to a certain extent. However no one can beat a Republican for being extreamly bias about it. Like Fox Entertainment, I mean News labeling Mark Stanford as the Democratic Governor of South Carolina because he was admitting to abandoning his duties for a week to spend the time with is mistress in Latin America. Or Rush claiming that the governor was justified in his actions because everything is going to H___ any way so why not. While you have the right to you opinions but it seems that you have no clue why your party lost the election or why you are losing members daily.

    • barry w.bruington says:

      T.A.Davis eat what ? Hey we live in a close to free country so does not everyone have the right to lie ? Years ago I rarely watched any news channels but as I got older I began to watch the news. I just happened to start with fox not knowing much about politics. I watched it for a few weeks and began to see the hate and lies daily. I then started watching CNN and PBS and found they were much closer to being truthful. Republicans are a breed of old white men or stupid white women (ann coulter) for one. America is getting less white, I am a 50 year old white man. Its republicans worst nightmare america is getting less white and more mixed, it has to happen and is. If you are not a rich white person, or own your own bizz republicans in office could care less about you, you ask your stupid republican uncle who makes 40K per year if he wants his SSI or his medicare or any other government help when he needs it and he will say yes. Its these crazies who make 30 to 50K a year and listen to rush or bill O. and fox and always vote republican not knowing they are voting against their best interests. Or its the crazies in the south who sign up for republican cause they listen to crazy religious nuts who are also republican. Religion and republicans are a dieing breed, as time goes by the old crazies are dieing off, the tea party will try to keep it going but they are so crazy they cant last either. Knowledge education science and a an america getting a shade darker will finally rid us of republican crazies. Most people can see Obama did not get anything done because repubs would not allow him to. They said it when he won they would make his time in office as hard as possible, block anything they could and its one time they have kept thier word. I hope Hillary runs cause if she does she will win and all the old white nut case repubs small tiny brains will explode.

  8. Conni says:

    Real simple people. The news should not lie, distort or misrepresent the truth. Period. Facts. Facts. Facts. The "faces" of the popular talk news are obviously expected to give their opinion, but those opinions should be of the straight truth, circumstances, events, etc. We the People then lean towards a "face" that "opines" to our own personal opinions.

  9. Conni says:

    Think about this: the news carriers are not upheld to truth (by a judge/court????!!!) so the lie, distortion, misrepresentation is presented…under the bias of the news carrier that only approves it's faces to present on their self serving platform…then the "face" who has ratings to keep themselves gets ahold of it and further lies, distorts and/or misrepresents the story according to his/her own personal bias and opinion. Sure perjury under oath. But fraud: deliberately misrepresenting oneself, truth, facts etc. for some type of gain.

  10. Conni says:

    Didn't Turner country club with some of the biggest names that built pipelines in Afghanistan? Doesn't Cheney have more than a little (a-hem, uh financial) interest in one of the largest oil companies in the world, Halliburton? So they are ALLOWED to lie to get some of us peons to agree to the innocent casualties of war? So they are ALLOWED to lie to us about whatever keeps causing such high oil prices? Do any of you REALLY believe the forefather authors of the Constitution intended #1 to allow deliberate self motivated lies? Actually, I learned in history that they wrote the Constitution, including the First Amendment because they were disgusted by and wanted to protect their new nation from THIS EXACT TYPE OF OPPRESSION!!!!

    • DrMeatwadPhd says:

      Conni, I believe one of the first problems come from the schools as they teach our kids the virtues of telling the truth and about lying, by talking about George Washingtons chopping down of a Cherry tree, an act which never happened. They get them when they are young and dumb, and itr builds on itself from there.

      • barry w.bruington says:

        Doctor meatwadphd you are so right ! If you dont get em when they are young they may make up their own minds. I see things like creationism being taught in our schools and it sickens me. Religions are a virus of the mind a killer of curiosity and wonder. Its not much different from the crazy old man in pakistan or afghanistan teaching a group of young children to bow while reading the koran from morning till night. I dont know if you have seen the pics of this but I have and I think its sickening. While he teaches them the koran he adds that american is the great evil and its ok to kill them. Teaching any religion to anyone under age 18 should be against the law world wide. I have heard some of our schools are teaching religion or intelligent design and if true its not much different from the crazy dude telling children they will live in bliss in heaven if they kill americans. Religions are one of the worlds greatest problems, god was thought up by men , men were not thought up by any god. Humans started off believing in many gods but over time we found reason and rid ourselves of gods, now we are down to one god and in time with good teaching, knowledge and more learning science we will someday lose our last god who’s belief is causing more killing in our world than anything else. How anyone can believe in shit like noahs ark, virgin births, ressurections, and tons of crap thought up and written by men who knew nothing of the world is to me amazing ! I only wish I could live long enough to see humans lose all the crazy religious beliefs which have caused more death and suffering wars and killing than any belief in our history. Imagine no religion, imagine theres no heaven no hell below us imagine all the people living life in peace. John lennon had it right.

        • Open Mind says:

          barry, you have hit the nail on the head regarding religious hypocrisy.

          There are MANY things about the God of Abraham (on which Judaism, Christianity and Islam are based).

          First you have to swallow the story that God made Adam and Eve with original sin, looked the other way when all the incest necessary in order to populate the the planet happened, then he kills the vast majority of them for sinning, lets ANOTHER bout of incest happen to repopulate the world AGAIN,THEN impregnates a virgin in order to be born so that he can sacrifice himself TO himself in order to take away the sin that he created in the first place.

          As part of that you also have to believe that a 2000 year old magically reanimated Jewish zombie can somehow give you eternal life so long as you telepathically communicate with him and offer up your soul. WOW!

          Also consider the part about having to believe in this invisible, omnipotent man in the sky has this list of 10 things he doesn’t want you to do and if you DO them, he is going to cast you into a place of agony, torture and eternal suffering, BUT “He LOVES you”! Astounding.

          • PlacidAir says:

            Actually, you need to read the Bible. It does not state that Adam and Eve were “made with original sin” — the “original sin” was eating the apple of the Tree of Knowledge after being told not to eat of it. That is the ancestral “sin” the rest of us are supposedly born with on our scorecards and supposed to make up for.

            • DrMeatwadPhd says:

              Actually PlacidAir, what difference does it make how a fraud of a story is quoted. Those big three that are about to nuke the whirled are all based on the book of lies the hebrews made up. And todays hebrewish that invaded Palestine can’t even follow that book they made up. Some know that no jew is supposed to be claiming their exile is over, without any of their prophecies about the end to their exile not coming true yet. It’s all lies based on one cultureless people making one up for themselves by stealing others stories and changing the names of people and places to make it seem like they were the center of attention.

              It’s a good thing when they wrote their first draft from the vicinity of the old “Babylon”, which is where Baghdad is today, it’s good that they never heard of Hawaii and other far better places to live.

              The jews christians and muslims, all following a Frodo, basically.

              Barry and Open Mind, Great Comments taken right out of my mouth.

  11. David. says:

    The tried and true weapon of the left is to accuse others of what the left is actually guilty of. It is straightforward and simple. The left excoriated the fiscally irresponsible "W" for running $500 billion annual deficits. The left wins the election, both houses of Congress and the Presidency, and the first budget out of the shoot explodes the deficit to $1.75 trillion (3.5 times bigger than "Dubya's"). When anyone who leans left complains about deceit or lies, what they are really doing is confessing their own bad behaviour. Listen in detail to what the left is complaining about, and you will know what they are currently up to. The right has a major competency void. The left is where the truth-challenged reside.

    • schu says:

      Oh my David, you have given me so much to work with that I do not really know were to start. In your first statement that the tried true weapon of the left… was it the left that labeled Mark Stafford a Democrat on their news program? Was it the left that spent the entire government surplus? Was it the left who mismanaged a three trillion dollar oil war? Was it the left who removed regulations regulating the banking industry and leading to one of the worst economical meltdowns in history? Is it left that is trying to morally justify the use of torture? Is it the left that seems to have political leaders coming out at least one a week, and sometimes twice a week, with infidelities? Until the GOP can admit that it made mistakes, what the mistakes are, and move to correct the mistake it will continue to sink to a regional party.

    • Freeman says:

      The left excoriated the fiscally irresponsible "W" for running $500 billion annual deficits. The left wins the election, both houses of Congress and the Presidency, and the first budget out of the shoot explodes the deficit to $1.75 trillion (3.5 times bigger than "Dubya's").

      What a bunch of bogus information and numbers. Only once did a bill override Bush's veto. Bush approved of everything else that passed. Oh, and most Democrats in Congress aren't from the Center.

    • Granny says:

      David. Go to the Office of Budget Management and find out how much Dubya went through. It's quite a bit more than $500 billion. Obviously you got your figure from Fox News.

    • Open Mind says:

      David… As a registered Independent, I find your astounding example of denial of FACT to be so hypocritical that it boggles the mind. It is NOT an attack when FACTS are there to support them. Your ignorance is probably due to the fact that there isn’t a single word that comes out of Republican mouths that is either a lie (PROVABLY false), taking points out of context or simply done out of spite.

      Yes, there are those on the left that do the same, however Repulsicans are far more adept and blatant about their level of corruption and deceit.

      Their blatant and provably wrong theory of “trickle down” economics has directly led to the virtually complete destruction of the middle class while actively supporting the outsourcing of jobs by the mega-corps and offshore tax havens for them and the extremely wealthy. They are paying the LOWEST tax rate in history including the fact that the top 6 grossing companies (such as GE and Verizon) have paid ZERO effective tax for YEARS. Not to mention giving the multi-billion dollar NFL tax exempt status.

      1) Bush inherited a 263.2 BILLION dollar SURPLUS which he promptly gave away to his rich buddies (including himself and Cheney). The immediate effect of which was to put the government into a deficit situation.

      2) Initiated de-regulation of the banking industry which led to one of the most disastrous recessions in history (literally causing world wide recession, bankruptcy and poverty).

      3) Initiated two UNFUNDED wars, adding TRILLIONS to the deficit.

      4) Proceeded to illegally funnel BILLIONS in no bid contracts to Dick Cheney’s company (war profiteering, one of those “high crimes” that are referred to in The Constitution and punishable by death.)

      5) The first two years of the Obama administration’s budget had already been signed into effect by Bush (feel free to look it up, it’s a fact conveniently being ignored in right wing talking points)

      6) He bankrupted the economy and left THAT for the next administration as well. Leaving the government to HAVE to take drastic measures to prevent another DEPRESSION that would have made the 1920’s and 30’s look like a cake walk.

      7) The cost of those two wars didn’t hit the books until AFTER Obama took office, making the figures used during each Presidency completely inaccurate.

      So man up, grow up , open your little narrow mind and do some INDEPENDENT research instead of taking all the right wing talking points as gospel.

    • PlacidAir says:

      The irony here is a riot — you’re doing exactly what you’re accusing the “left” of doing — and hoping the rest of us are too dumb to notice….. we’re not.

  12. GUS says:

    Everyone should be held accountable. This isn't an us and them issue.

    First, Man Droppings pleads for an unbiased truthful reporting of the news, then he says "Fox News, and Fox News alone, as far as I know, set out to distort the truth as a matter of course".
    This is a case a reporter brought to the courts against her employer. I would really be interested in seeing the findings of the court that states Fox News is the only news agency that lies. Was Fox the only news agency sued and these charges brought against? Yes. But did the courts weigh data to decide that all other news agencies tell the truth and Fox News lies? Of course not. Why would Droppings include that little phrase in his comments if he himself wasn't bias and pushing an agenda?
    I say shame on Fox and pat the reporter on the back and say job well done. The real story should be how brave this reporter was to bring the lawsuit in the first place.
    Man Droppings is bashing Fox but doing the exact same thing that he is claiming Fox is guilty of. Which is, taking the facts given and shaping them in the context of which point of view he wishes to sell.

    Can any one honestly state that they believe all News outlets do not distort or omit facts to better serve their story and or agenda?

    • GarynPS says:

      What makes this article even worse is that the court case referenced here was decided by the court over 6 years ago -- on 2/14/03. Yet this article is datelined 6/29/09. 1 lie + 1 lie does not add up to the truth.

    • DrMeatwadPhd says:

      Oh dear,,, “they are attacking fox again,,,” well that is what the ***Court Case*** was all about you idiot.

  13. Larryh says:

    And you over look… Bill Clinton lied under oath … committing sworn perjury…. beyond all that… All the press has lied to us all for more than a hundred years… believe nothing you hear or read until you can first hand verify it yourself… then check your own biases

  14. GarynPS says:

    If there are doubts about any of the media lying to us….This article is dated 6/29/2009. The court case referenced was decided on February 14, 2003. So the indication that this is current news is a lie. I would be much happier with differing versions of the truth than different versions of a lie.____

  15. Jim B says:

    First amendment right to lie but what about MORALITY? Has the Republi-CONartist Faux News decided that lying is okay for them but NOT for the Democrats? (of course they have!)

    What happened to JOURNALISM? Journalism is all about telling the truth based on FACTS, not biased opinion and innuendo. Journalism is not to be used as a tool to feed the 'minds' of the idiots that watch Faux News…….they have a MORAL OBLIGATION to check FACTS and report FACTS to the public and let the PUBLIC decide what their opinion is.

    This is why the Republi-conartists are watching their own party implode. A house of cards cemented with lies will always crumble. Bummer, sure would hate to see the Republi-conartists fail……..oh ya, they already have! Can't you hear them whine?

  16. ChasMomB says:

    I'm with GarynPS! What happened six years ago is being used to tarnish the image of a respectable News Agency. We don't even know, from the info presented here, if this was an Agency Lie, or a personal lie by someone within the agency. We do know that Obama complained about FOX, and now there's an attempt to give them credibility issues. Hmmmmm

  17. Trail-Mix says:

    Do you have another source other than another Left Wing Blog? I seem to smell a slanted story which has some parts completely made up…like the Lawyers quote…I smell bullshit. I run a Conservative Blog and I always provide sources, but I never use another blog as a "source", I always dig deeper and maybe you should as well. I am still digging, but other than Left Wing blogs and hate Fox News sites, I have yet to find an article from a creditable news source. You also fail to point out that the entire story revolves around Milk…yes Milk! Would love it if you could actually find your quote on an actual news site and send me the link.

    • Metavirus says:

      I went back and looked at the article on the case and it was indeed decided back in 2003. I have corrected the post above to reflect this. I posted a link to an article that discussed the case back in 2004 if you want to take a look. As for the lawyer's "quote" above, that was meant as snark — I added a lead-in to make this clearer to the folks that didn't get it the first time.

      • Trail-Mix says:

        The link for the original article is not functioning properly, however, thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my comment and the actions you took. We may well not agree politically, but I always appreciate honest debate and honest actions. I would encourage you to come over to my blog sometime and feel free to give some input, because an unchallenged point view is one that does not require thought and I consider myself a thinker.

        • Metavirus says:

          thanks. i do love engaging with people who prove to be open to rational discussion and frank and honest debate. i will definitely come by and check out your blog.

  18. Hunter says:

    So who has a right to lie about lies?

  19. schu says:

    All news organization have a tendency to lie, their job is to sell papers, air time, or online hits. The term yellow journalism is not a new term but dates back from the 1800’s. The problem is that Fox News approaches news entertainment with the same relish that the National Enquirer does, and with the same results. I watch the local Fox News because they do a good job, but I watch PBS and balance it with the BBC for my national and international news. However sensationalism sells and Fox does its best to make sure that it has the most sensationalist news on the air, and the truth has very little to do with it.

  20. Garland says:

    News reporting today is not reporting, it is sensationalizing a topic. I do not care to hear what anyones oponion on a subject is. News as I veiw it and as I was taught it in school is the 5 W's and an H.
    Give me that and let me form my own oponions.

    • PlacidAir says:


      I agree. And when a site’s hyped up headline turns out to not be supported by the text of the article — I add them to my list of sources of a dubious nature. Unfortunately even previously legitimate sites (including the BBC and NPR, much to my sadness) seem to be doing that of late….. it’s gotten disgusting out there.

  21. loret says:

    How and why did you dig up this stupid story? Did you just google negative Fox information? You know, you didn't have to google at all! To make it simpler for you just watch MSNBC any day and you can find twisting of the truth and lies. There, problem solve!

    • Freeman says:

      What difference does it make how he found it? Sound as though someone is bitter about his sacred source being discredited!

  22. schu says:

    That would be nice but nothing scares the corporate run news and political parties than a self aware independent thinking populace, after all they might vote their convictions.

  23. Lev says:

    The sad fact of human nature is that, a lot of the time, being confronted with the fact that we’re being lied to makes us EVEN MORE LIKELY to believe the lie. Most common solution: the generation that believes the lie so deeply dies off, and then we can move on.

    Nice post, Metavirus, and timely as ever!

    • PlacidAir says:

      I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard “I don’t care if it’s true, or not, it makes a point!” — what point is that, that you’re gullible, don’t care about reality and will propagate/spread any nonsense/lie as long as it fits into what you WANT to believe, even if it’s destructive and makes the World a worse place? ….. because that’s the only REAL “point” you’re achieving in sending that.along…..

  24. […] up like weeds through the whole of America, and Fox News broke ground on its operations in 1996, unshackled by any necessity to tell the truth. They are legally allowed to lie, and there is no legal recourse against […]

    • barry says:

      You are so right, It is amazing how they are allowed to lie as they do. I would like to say somthing else about lieing on television, its the many phony medications that all of our television channels allow.

      Everyday I see crap like meds to increase your testoserone levels which is not possible unless you take real testosterone. Then there are the many weight loss meds which are all fake. Its relavent to selling snake oil in the 1800s, I just hate to see stupid people being taken advantage of and wasting their money.

      Its about time fox or any other news media be held responsible for twisting the truth or telling outright lies. And also anything advertised should have to be first proven to work. thankyou !

  25. Darren says:


    • barry says:

      You say just turn it off ? well you have a good point its like religious folk complaining about sex on TV and we say just dont look at it.
      My experience with fox was short lived, I never watched the news much when I was younger, a few years ago I started watching it and just happen to turn on fox news. It took me a few weeks to figure it out for myself, I would say what ? thats just wrong, soon I turned to CNN and found they dont outright lie.

      I also like msnbc rachael ed and chris and especially O’donnel . sorr for the poor spelling.

  26. […] Court of Appeals said that, specifically, Fox News (and by extension all news organizations) has a first amendment right to lie. ?Yup, that bastion of “fair and balanced” actually fought a case to appeals court […]

  27. […] facts. That is, that’s the way it’s supposed to work. This isn’t so for Fox News. They even won a court case that said they have the right to make up their own facts. A testament to the power of the […]

  28. […] any law, rule, or regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news on a television broadcast. Fox News Has a First Amendment Right to Lie -- Updated | Library Grape Fl Appellate Court Rules Media Can Legally Lie Florida Appeals Court to FOX News: It is OK to lie! […]

  29. […] is the schmuck from?Lying Fox News that interrupted President Obama during a press briefing on June 15, 2012 announcing changes […]

  30. […] coverage Canada has smartly avoided. —————————————————- Fox News Has a First Amendment Right to Lie -- Updated < Library Grape fox news has a constitutional right to lie, after being taken to court on it. __________________ […]

  31. Gordon Hilgers says:

    Fox News is a glaring example of how totalitarian movements operate: They create a “fictional reality” that is rife with “objective enemies”, and in Fox’s case, the objective enemies include, Liberals, secular liberalism, women, Blacks and the poor.

    It would be interesting to see a group of investors with the moxie to create a fake news station that is the diametric opposite of Fox, one that disburses bile and ugliness at millionaires, Conservatives, Republicans, and white men. Like this, “Mr. Smith, whose income places him in the upper classes, participated in a hit-and-run and then fostered an army of lawyers to protect him. He is also a member of the local Southern Baptist Church--something that seems to indicate Mr. Smith is a hypocrite, considering he publicly embraces Christ but runs-down six-year-old children.”

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful to see Fox and Roger Ailes yammering and foaming at the mouth over that?

  32. DrMeatwadPhd says:

    Well I can see the next court battle over the lies from faux gnooze. It is winnable in a court to fight the lies when you have been financially harmed by the lies.

  33. Andy says:

    I’m just trying to find a legitimate source of what happened with this court case (especially why it started). If anyone knows of such a source please reply with it. Thanks

  34. […] Quote: Originally Posted by RoadVirus Quote: Originally Posted by ogibillm there's an entire right wing media complex hell bent on tearing everything the president does apart and making everything as highly political and partisan and you want to lay the blame solely at the feet of the president? really? Sounds exactly like what the Democrats did with Bush for his 8 years Compare the number of news stations considered liberal vs. conservative. Fox News is all ya got. The inane antics of the conservatives supply a disproportionately greater amount of fodder than the left evidently. And Fox doesn't even consider themselves news. Fox News Has a First Amendment Right to Lie -- Updated | Library Grape […]

  35. […] Originally Posted by jojajn Won't happen. The Florida supreme court ruled in 2003 that news corporations are people and have the right to lie under the 1st amendment. Fox News Has a First Amendment Right to Lie […]

  36. […] Fox News Has a First Amendment”right to lie”- Updated […]

  37. […] Personhood”?has been given by a court of law the right to free speech and therefore the right to lie. So, when you see the words “fair and balanced” or the word “news” that […]

  38. Gordon Hilgers says:

    The whole idea of “personhood” is like “upsidedownworld” because, if a fetus is still attached to its mother’s nutrient system via umbilical cord, how can that fetus qualify as an individual? Individuality is a pretty rock-solid concept in our LEGAL and POLITICAL systems. But if someone wants to give a fetus “personhood”, let’s cut the cord and set the fetus free before it pulls loose on its own and breaks out of mama’s stomach, thereby wreaking unholy hell, not only on the hospital floor, but also bathroom floors, kitchen floors, even the floors of restaurants.

    Fetus on a leash: not a person.

  39. […] don't enjoy being lied to. Rachel Maddow: Shameless Liar Conservatives INSIST on being lied to: Fox News Has a First Amendment Right to Lie -- Updated | Library Grape Regards from […]

  40. […] that they make shit up, and had been shouting that since before the florida case where they had a court of appeals ruling that Fox could, in fact, fabricate news if they wanted to. ?I chose that article because I hadn’t read it before I was writing this, and I found it […]

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  44. Sherry says:

    If it is against the law to lie in a court of law, and police can put charges on people for ‘false informing’ and ‘fraud’, then why would it not be illegal for a NEWS station (which is run by people) to falsely inform and fraud the people? People go to the news stations to be informed, not lied to. It is not like we know we are being kidded when we watch something like Saturday Night Live. To go for news and get lies seems criminal to me.

  45. MediaMike says:

    As a broadcaster we once had to prove responsible fair and balanced reporting and programming in the public interest. That was a feature of the Fairness Doctrine which was lost in deregulation and further allowed a few corporate entities to control the majority of our media and begin advancing a political agenda without the burden of responsibility. It’s laughable that these hypocrites who berate Brian Williams have essentially said nothing for decades about the daily diet of disinformation from Fox News- which btw is anything but news in the journalistic sense of course.

    This network is a platform specifically dedicated and devoted to serving as a mouthpiece for one political party’s message and goals. It is funded and backed for the singular purpose of advancing an Agenda. Anyone unable to recognize that by now is sadly misguided. I challenge anyone to refute the fact that this is in no way an organization of any measure of integrity or credible journalism. If you don’t get this, do what they don’t want you to do and question this.

  46. […] hell I’m not a fan of Fox News. I think the network is no better than a gossip magazine. The network won the right in 2009 to blatantly lie and disregard actually facts for ratings. But I will support and stand by Ms. Kelly even when Fox News viewers will not. I say that she […]

  47. Dean says:

    Sorry Dudes! Even your Liberal Snopes say NOPE!!!

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